Brains vs. AI Challenge, Aussie Millions, Dan Bilzerian and more.
Timestamp review of Jan 30, 2017 PCP Episode #3.
Upswing Poker featured pro Doug Polk called into the Poker Central Podcast Monday, January 30th, to talk with host Remko Rinkema in an 80-minute show that also featured fellow player and personality Brent Hanks.
January 2017 was one of the busiest months on record in terms of poker media coverage thanks to a number of high profile events that are currently shaping the world of poker.
Poker Central Podcast Episode #3 Recap
(0:00) Intro and outreach
(3:00) Remko verified on Twitter
— Remko Rinkema (@RemkoMedia) January 31, 2017
(4:08) Brent had PSCB rum cake leftovers for lunch
(5:00) Death Wish Coffee shout-out
(6:07) January 2017 news outline
(6:50) Doug Polk intro
(7:36) Brains vs. AI Challenge – Rivers Casino Pittsburgh
Doug Polk: “I was overall pretty impressed with the [Human] Team’s… mental fortitude.”
“The [Libratus] program itself played… differently this time around than [Claudico], and there are a few things I can say right out of the gate that are very easy to notice. For example, last time the bot had a strategy preflop that included limping, and we crushed the limp basically the entire challenge. This time around, it started off limping out of the gate and then it just stopped doing that around Day 5 or 6, which I thought was a pretty significant change.”
(14:00) Artificial Intelligence’s effect on poker
“Live poker is always going to be soft because you have to travel to the venue. There are always going to be recreational players, so I have virtually no worry about the ‘live poker’ space. As far as online poker goes, there’s still multi-handed poker which is still very far away from being solved because if you think the Game Tree is large for TWO players, when you add-in a third or fourth player it becomes just massive… so we’re still a long way away from that.”
“While I think the days of super high stakes heads-up battling online are gone because there is that threat you’re playing a computer program or someone using a computer program, I don’t think this really spells ‘death for poker’ in the way a lot of people seem to be fearing. Because what’s going to happen here is heads-up No Limit action online is going to become more selective, but there’s still going to be all the other game types including some smaller stakes heads-up matches, or 8-game heads-up matches or all these types of things. And if you play someone that you know is not going to be using the software then you’re not going to be in a tough situation.
It’s also worth noting that this is currently being run by a supercomputer that’s costing however many dollars to run per night. So I think that we’re still a little bit away from a tough situation for online poker, but it’s definitely important to be aware of this as a player when you’re considering what to play and who you’re playing against.”
(16:50) How can poker players identify AI opponents online?
“It’s pretty clear I think when you’re playing a bot, that you’re playing a bot and not a human. There are a lot of different moves that a bot would make that humans simply aren’t going to. For example, having a wide variety of [betting] sizes… that’s just not really a human trait. Humans tend to pick one or two or maybe a few sizes whereas the bot has… I don’t even know. [Libratus] has been evolving and adding in sizes but at least seven, eight or nine sizes. So if you’re playing someone and they’re constantly using 7-9 sizes all over the place, that’s just simply not going to be a human. It’s too hard to do that in a precise way that humans are simply not going to try that strategy.”
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(23:05) How would Viktor Blom or Dan Cates fare versus the bot?
(24:20) How would Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey fare?
(25:34) Doug’s recent YouTube video on Dan Bilzerian’s poker ability
— gN Doug Polk (@DougPolkPoker) January 17, 2017
Doug Polk: “The thing is really this, Remko. We know that [Bilzerian’s] dad had a lot of money that was fined that never got paid up. No one knows where it is and Dan’s flying around in jets.”
“I have it on reasonable authority that he has done pretty well in some of those high stakes games, but that’s not really the question. The question is, Where does the fortune come from, right? Because it’s not that hard to go from $50 million to $60 million or $100 million to $110 million playing in juicy high stakes home games. But going from $0 or $20 to $1 million — or $5 million or $10 million… that is extremely difficult and only a few people have done that in their entire lives.”
(29:15) Doug’s reaction to mainstream coverage from YouTube video
(31:55) Doug hasn’t heard back from Bilzerian, not expecting a response
(33:25) Fedor Holz Aussie Millions 2017
(34:25) Fedor’s ability versus other high roller MTT pros
(37:00) Poker tournament runs are great for poker
(38:20) Who’s the better poker player? Fedor Holz or Dan Colman?
“Oh I think Fedor is definitely a better player than Dan. I don’t think it’s too close. I think they were both winning players in the fields.”
“I would say Fedor is the better player and this run he’s been on is even sicker, but you know, everyone’s time eventually goes and then there’s some new guy that’s also running hot and I’m sure we’ll see that name emerge in the next couple of years.”
(39:10) Doug’s current poker projects
(39:50) Doug has a soft spot for comedy sketches
(40:15) Doug plans to play the Aria $300k and WSOP One Drop this year
(41:20) Remko and Brent discuss 2017 Aussie Millions final hand
(50:00) Poker players to watch in 2017
(52:15) Aussie Millions $250k high roller cancellation
(53:25) Phil Ivey no-show at 2017 Aussie Millions
(54:55) Brains vs. AI Challenge — Remko & Brent react to Libratus’ dominance
Brent Hanks: “When you really think about this heads-up poker format and setting, there are only so many heads-up ‘specialists’ in the world, right? Like Doug Polk would probably be considered number one, Jason Les is there… Dong [Kim]. All of these guys playing that out… they’re the best at their trade, okay? That AI [Libratus] opponent is only set for [heads-up No Limit Hold’em]. It’s only built for that. If you try and take that and put it in a giant tournament such as the WSOP Main Event or something, I don’t think you’re going to see this type of domination.”
(57:47) AI can learn/compete/run simulations nonstop while humans must rest
(59:10) Brent agrees with Doug’s views on poker tournament runs
(1:00:40) Fedor Holz shoe-in for eventual Poker Hall of Fame nod?
(1:02:15) Super Bowl LI — Patriots vs. Falcons
Brent Hanks: “I like Atlanta +3. I like the Under in the game and I like Tails on the coin flip. Mark it down, all three are coming home. I don’t miss on the Super Bowl. I’m telling you right now!”
— Brent Hanks (@Bhanks11) January 30, 2017
(1:04:50) Remko attending Super Bowl party at Max Greenwood’s place
(1:06:00) Grant Hinkle all-cash prize hauls
(1:07:40) Remko and Brent poker tournament buy-in “sweet spots”
(1:08:25) 2017 WSOP “The Giant” — Multiple Friday Night Day 1 flights
Brent Hanks: “It’s going to be the largest turnout in poker.”
Remko Rinkema: “I personally believe that the Colussus will still be bigger than The Giant.”
(1:12:55) Brent’s preliminary 2017 WSOP plans
(1:14:30) Are big name pros big-timing Brent? Say it ain’t so!
(1:16:10) Big Bet Mixed WSOP tournament “arouses” Remko
(1:17:50) WSOP 2017 begins May 31st
(1:19:00) Remko predicts 2017 WSOP $50k event results
(1:20:40) Robbie Strazynski CardplayerLifestyle.com shout-out
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